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and now for a little uh

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tic tac talk do you like that

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tic tac tot yeah we and then we talk

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about tic tac jack so

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so when we last had mr turbo on the show

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he told us that this was u.s technology

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which it still is built at plant 42

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which it is not

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by by multiple companies because we had

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yeah or flare one is the name of the

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video and and you you told us with

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100 certainty that this was u.s

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technology absolutely and and it's an

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actual

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uh that flies without propulsion and is

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gravity defying and

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so forth and has even been flown over to

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exactly is there anything about that

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that you would like to amend

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absolutely i owe you

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and your viewers and anyone else that

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was uh taken aback by this

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an apology but an apology with a little

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catch to it the apology is to you my

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friend

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um uh i did hoodwink you into that

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and uh i do remember saying we might

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want to edit that out

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but we it was left end so since it was

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left in i said you know what i'm going

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to go ahead and run with my original

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uh basically run a social experiment to

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see exactly how these things work

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and it worked perfectly actually

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but for you and for michael i wanted to

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i apologize um hopefully

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you're not mad at me um

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but well you're back out you're back on

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the show but it might be for me to [\h__\h]

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yeah it could be and you're and you

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would be well within your

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your writing reasons to do that uh but

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that everybody understands uh

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why that was done and at this point in

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in a better position because that was

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done it allowed me to see and prove

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certain things and aspects of how that

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the ufo community works and how

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different things operate

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in in that area so i did the same thing

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flat earth community as well so um i

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went and there's another entity it just

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basically bounced around challenged eric

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you know debate and all these different

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interesting that some in that ufo

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will accept things at face value

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and then argue other points meaning this

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ttsa came out with those three videos um

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up taking them at face value

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the things that were explained to people

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television show that had the experts

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on the show explained that certain

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objects were doing certain things that

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debriefing call from 2005. that that

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actually happened okay well let's go

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to you being hoodwinked because

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that this is u.s technology and that

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it is uh incredible new us technology

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that what they saw is actually

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real it wasn't a phantom it wasn't a

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spoofing technology that it was

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flown over north korea so there was

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you know over beers later that that

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in addition to this object being real

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flown in one mm-hmm so when you talk

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where do i where do we draw the line

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what's true and what's not and what have

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certainty as you said at the time that

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u.s technology built by your companies

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the the fact that the physical object

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that did what was claimed it was doing

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all the the incredible g turns and the

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incredible speeds being made at plant 42

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that that is not the case now

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i have subsequently uh learned quite a

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things that you said before because

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your credibility obviously is in serious

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doubt right now so

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before anybody would give two

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seconds thought to what you're saying

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now you've learned right

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we first have to cover well why did you

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a year and a half ago that that it was

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the evidence is if and

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that were not true trump did not order

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this thing to go fly to

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north korea there was okay but we're

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by you to put some information out there

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right to see how people respond to it

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whether by putting out false information

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don't want to be a hoaxer

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gotten a lot further away from that

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the idea that it was flown to north

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right as when he plans the social

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experiment to say these things that are

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that was very creative is that something

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that that you came up with

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something that you oh

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huh this is about maybe a week before we

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if you remember when we had gone out you

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may or june or something remember you

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got married and that we delayed delayed

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but you remember the day when i did the

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i found your your doctor friend or

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whatever from a while back it was around

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that time frame before you went to uh

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italy what have you so who was the

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doctor friend

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i'm trying to remember me we were

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sitting there and i i was trying to show

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you how fast i could find people and one

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questions that you had was there was a

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person you had you had not seen in years

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able to actually do something

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so which i hopefully you you appreciated

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right after i got back from my wedding

287
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which would have been i think you're

288
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right yeah

289
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i got back in late october so yeah i

290
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think it was late october earlier yeah

291
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november

292
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4th is when the show came out yeah yeah

293
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okay but anyway

294
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you're you're answering the question

295
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about when the

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trump having the tic tac flown

297
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to show kim jong-un popped into your

298
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head

299
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right that was about a week before so i

300
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had to pick a time frame as to when i

301
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flew

302
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the tic tac so i went to his that time

303
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frame of around you know my birthday

304
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november 18th 2017.

305
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he was in the middle of the las vegas

306
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investigation could put a lot of time so

307
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i was toying with which way to swing

308
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this thing and when i did i started

309
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looking at okay this has to be some

310
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world events that would have occurred

311
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at a time that would involve the

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intelligence community so

313
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that's when i picked okay these two

314
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events happen very close to each other

315
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literally one

316
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after the other putin was put on notice

317
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and then

318
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north korea you know was put back on the

319
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terrorist list all within a day of each

320
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other

321
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also during that exact same week trump

322
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was nowhere to be found

323
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and there was his daily schedule if you

324
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look it up on wikipedia

325
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went blank that week so i was like wow

326
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all this is just so too perfect so

327
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it was thanksgiving week i recall yeah

328
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it was around thanksgiving week but

329
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but the previous year he had not been

330
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gone that many days so it kind of it

331
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just kind of worked out

332
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where everything was like did did quite

333
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well

334
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and what i wanted to do was to show you

335
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spoofing technology and how it works

336
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and so when i turned my phone over to

337
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you and you got to see

338
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me being able to prove that i flew from

339
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california

340
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to washington dc and your the phone

341
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showed that i landed right at the white

342
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house

343
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for you um in an hour and 24 minutes

344
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so for me to explain that to you

345
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to spoof my phone

346
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to spoof to you so i spoofed the phone

347
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which

348
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in turn spoofed you and we're all have

349
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been spoofed by the

350
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these objects and i'll get into that in

351
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a minute

352
00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:48,480
yeah so so the the phone trick was what

353
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was part of

354
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the um the deception on the uh whether

355
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you flew in one

356
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yeah the the the the phone showed

357
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based on google maps i think it was

358
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right at

359
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this time you were in somewhere in uh

360
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inland empire los angeles and an hour

361
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and 24

362
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minutes later you're in washington dc

363
00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:10,880
correct um

364
00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:12,959
there's no craft that could get you

365
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there that quickly

366
00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,240
so yeah so i had to make it fast enough

367
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to allow that to occur

368
00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:20,880
um and then but not so fast that i

369
00:12:24,790 --> 00:12:21,920
couldn't explain

370
00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:24,800
the 1g acceleration so i had to come up

371
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with the 1g acceleration

372
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or we were the acceleration so so

373
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slow that you wouldn't even notice it

374
00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:33,200
but over a period of time

375
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which only in 15 minutes you're you're

376
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going you know easily over 1000 miles an

377
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hour

378
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so um and and that's where jack safari

379
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comes in so me and him have had a lot of

380
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conversations a lot

381
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that that's actually how we we we met up

382
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so the idea

383
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you know before our interview as far as

384
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the idea of tic tac

385
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you know the question was are these

386
00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:55,360
things real and also i think there was

387
00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:57,360
probably an assumption that well if even

388
00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:58,720
if they are real

389
00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:01,680
uh there's no one flying in them because

390
00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:03,440
you couldn't handle the g-force

391
00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:06,160
right so so so if you're going to fly it

392
00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:06,480
as

393
00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:10,800
empire los angeles to dc

394
00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:13,440
right you would only be able to travel

395
00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,040
to accelerate

396
00:13:19,269 --> 00:13:17,600
at what one g is that well you could

397
00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:19,279
accelerate faster but at one g you

398
00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:20,000
wouldn't even hardly

399
00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:21,440
notice it but you would still attain the

400
00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:23,279
speed necessary to get me from

401
00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:25,760
los angeles to washington dc an hour and

402
00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:26,480
24 minutes

403
00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:27,680
right but so you did those kind of

404
00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:29,680
calculations and

405
00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:32,399
then studying and then to set up on

406
00:13:35,509 --> 00:13:33,360
google maps

407
00:13:36,629 --> 00:13:35,519
which i did learn after when i did a

408
00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:36,639
little test for myself that

409
00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:38,399
it's very easy to go into google maps

410
00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:40,000
and just enter in

411
00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:43,600
times you you can edit you can edit

412
00:13:46,870 --> 00:13:45,120
you can edit times and stuff but what

413
00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:46,880
you can't do is spoof it so you have to

414
00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,079
get a spoofing software

415
00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:49,680
program that actually makes it look like

416
00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:51,279
you're there and you like right now i

417
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:52,000
could do it and

418
00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:53,120
it would look like i was somewhere

419
00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:54,639
walking around and everything so it's

420
00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:56,000
actually an app that you put on your

421
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,560
phone

422
00:14:00,389 --> 00:13:59,040
and i think this one's called fake gps

423
00:14:01,509 --> 00:14:00,399
and it literally makes it look like

424
00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:01,519
you're somewhere

425
00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:03,519
walking around at a mall or whatever you

426
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:04,720
want to do you can make it do all kinds

427
00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:05,519
of things something that

428
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:08,160
certainly a lot of husbands may want to

429
00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:08,800
have

430
00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:11,040
access to yes and at the end of the show

431
00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:17,910
so um anyway i mean uh so this is all

432
00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:18,880
part of

433
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:21,600
it was an elaborate plan to basically

434
00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:22,320
spoof

435
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,800
you now i at the time i didn't have the

436
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:26,399
intention of going beyond your show it

437
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,440
was just basically

438
00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:30,240
to show you and then it at the end i was

439
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:31,600
going to say aha you know see

440
00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:34,240
how easy it was to fool you now imagine

441
00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:34,800
how

442
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:36,399
this works in the bigger scale you've

443
00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:37,519
got so many people out with so many

444
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,120
different stories some of the stories

445
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:41,040
you know people may actually truly

446
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,240
believe them some of them maybe

447
00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:44,000
someone has been in the story so long

448
00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:45,680
that they now believe it themselves or

449
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,240
what have you

450
00:14:49,829 --> 00:14:48,399
so all of these different things occur

451
00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:49,839
and i've seen this over and over and

452
00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:51,360
over again and you've seen it to you i

453
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:52,560
mean you've talked to people that you

454
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,240
that you you just know that you know

455
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:58,079
you know so but but we all we all deal

456
00:15:01,829 --> 00:14:59,279
with that and

457
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:01,839
i can say that you know to your credit

458
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:02,800
you were very good

459
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,320
you you told me well because i had

460
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:05,839
enough accurate information

461
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:07,120
some of the stuff i told you was

462
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:09,360
absolutely legit well and you're you're

463
00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,240
you're

464
00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:12,800
yes i'm a lawyer but you know my i'm not

465
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:13,760
a physicist

466
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:16,959
and i'm not a ufologist right so

467
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:20,160
you know and i'm a very trusting person

468
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:21,360
especially

469
00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:24,320
of you not anymore but but at that point

470
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:25,839
well i did good for vegas for you

471
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,560
but exactly so you know i was kind of an

472
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:30,639
easy target now

473
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:33,600
still obviously i was extremely

474
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:34,480
skeptical

475
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:37,040
you know wanting wanting to believe uh

476
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,320
wanting

477
00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:40,639
to think that we weren't uh well duped

478
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:43,040
uh michael parker our our producer

479
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:44,639
was a little bit more skeptical because

480
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,560
he's just

481
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,480
i think you know he initially was

482
00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,160
believing the story but he said jim

483
00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:51,920
you know back when i covered ufos

484
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:53,360
regularly right

485
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:54,800
i can't tell you how many people that

486
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:57,600
i'd run across that would tell fantastic

487
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:59,600
stories that when you hear them sound

488
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:00,720
perfectly

489
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:03,519
believable um but they all turn out to

490
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:04,240
be false

491
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,360
right and that's partly the entire point

492
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,360
of this

493
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:11,759
the the thing is i mixed in actual

494
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:13,199
information

495
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:20,720
ufo trip to washington dc and so forth

496
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:23,440
so i mixed the two together um so inside

497
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,040
the information that i gave you was

498
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:26,880
you know was the technology real or was

499
00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:28,800
it technology u.s technology yes it's

500
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:30,880
absolutely united states technology

501
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:33,440
in fact i can tell you where the

502
00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:34,320
technology

503
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:36,079
exists to a point i can't there's some

504
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:37,519
things i still can't say but there's

505
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,639
some things i can but i

506
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:40,240
but by the end of this you'll have a

507
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,440
pretty good understanding of how all

508
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,120
this works

509
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,920
but but but at the time of the interview

510
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,040
to be clear

511
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:49,600
you were telling us these are actual

512
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:51,040
40-foot objects

513
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:54,160
made by the us yes and at the time

514
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:56,959
i honestly believe that okay and if so

515
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,839
you're here today

516
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,519
to tell us that turns out not to be the

517
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,199
case yeah

518
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:03,360
and that's where i got hoodwinked um

519
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,559
because i want to

520
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:06,079
let's stick with how you get so how did

521
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,600
you get hoodwinked

522
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:09,760
back in early 2005 remember i told you

523
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:11,760
about the the telephone call i had with

524
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:12,559
a

525
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:15,839
set up the slides

526
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,120
uh for the uh the briefing about

527
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,039
the technology that was utilized by the

528
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:23,760
that nimitzing nemez event

529
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:27,839
at that time i

530
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:29,120
didn't really put a whole lot of thought

531
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,120
into it because all i heard was the

532
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:32,960
comms the cop the communications between

533
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:33,679
the pilots

534
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,720
and atc that's that's all i i i heard

535
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,559
specifically from the nimitz encounter

536
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,240
in 2004 we're talking correct

537
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,000
correct yeah and that was specifically

538
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:44,000
uh yeah everything is just specific to

539
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:44,799
that event

540
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,919
and the this friend

541
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,760
uh who was with the navy and helped put

542
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:51,360
together the slides he was at the air

543
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:51,840
force

544
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:58,000
uh he recently has has left the air

545
00:18:02,470 --> 00:17:59,039
force

546
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,480
is now left as of last

547
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:04,880
october november we're still not

548
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:05,679
disclosing

549
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,960
your friends no

550
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,640
anyone that actually goes into this and

551
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:12,080
goes around the date of when that

552
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,039
briefing was

553
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:15,440
we'll kind of be able to figure it out

554
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:16,640
because there's not that many av

555
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,080
specialists that set up the uh

556
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:20,000
powerpoint presentations back at that

557
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,600
time at that particular base which i

558
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,200
haven't mentioned the base yet

559
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:25,679
air force specialist there is an av

560
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:27,120
specialist in there oh av

561
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:29,280
specialist i thought that's why i

562
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:30,720
thought you were saying navy

563
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:34,160
av specialist right um okay but this

564
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:35,840
person is real and exists

565
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:38,559
yes yep scout's honor scout's honor

566
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:41,440
whatever this guy's owner is

567
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,760
were you ever in the scouts uh i was in

568
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,360
the i was in the cub scouts

569
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:47,600
okay so cub scout's honor if there's

570
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,480
such a thing sure

571
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,559
okay look at the camera mike oh over

572
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:52,559
here yes absolutely the person existing

573
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:53,440
is a real person

574
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:55,919
if you actually went back to that time

575
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,799
frame

576
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,200
to that and you know and looking at the

577
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,799
camera scout signer you spoke to this

578
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:02,000
person

579
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:05,840
looking at the cameras but scout's honor

580
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,799
i can't swim in the bible because you

581
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,919
know i'm atheist so you're not going to

582
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,600
take me down well that's right sure i'm

583
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:10,640
using the cupcakes let's just put it

584
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:12,000
this way this is all gonna come out

585
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,640
anyway

586
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:15,120
so this this part is going to prove

587
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:16,080
itself

588
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,919
true anyway so i'm not even really okay

589
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:19,200
so let's go back to how you were

590
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,080
hoodwinked so

591
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,919
so you speak to the person you hear the

592
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,280
comms keep going yeah

593
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,799
now he and i both thought when you're

594
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,559
listening if all you hear is the radio

595
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:28,080
transmission is going back and forth

596
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,559
you believe that there's something going

597
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,480
on these people that they're chasing

598
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:35,280
a ufo that's what it sounds like and

599
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,400
just like when you watch the

600
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,000
nimitz encounters which is that the

601
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:39,679
documentary by dave beatty which is

602
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,039
excellent and everybody should see that

603
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,799
by the way um and it puts

604
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,640
visual perspective on all this so it all

605
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:46,320
makes sense

606
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,600
when you hear that that's

607
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,280
keep in mind if you if you watch dave

608
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,720
beatty's show and didn't watch

609
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:55,120
any of the graphics and just heard the

610
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,400
radio transitions that's

611
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:59,039
all we heard um but he was putting

612
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,320
together the data

613
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,960
and what was also happening was the

614
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,960
contractors were showing up

615
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,200
so on the second call well the first

616
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,720
call they called me says hey mike

617
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,320
blah blah blah you know what are you

618
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,919
doing today i need to talk to you

619
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:13,440
something's going on blah blah blah so

620
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:15,039
then he calls me back about an hour

621
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:15,679
later which

622
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,000
basically breaks a huge is a huge no-no

623
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:22,559
to do this but he played a snippet for

624
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,039
me

625
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,159
over the phone um and he says what do

626
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,760
you think that was after about

627
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:30,559
maybe four minutes or so i said wow it

628
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,840
sounds like this guy was

629
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,240
chasing ufo i said what is this he says

630
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,240
he says i don't know it's some

631
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,000
navy's navy stuff that we just got and

632
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:39,600
we're setting up the briefing slide for

633
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,400
it or whatever

634
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:42,320
so he wasn't even far enough into it for

635
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,520
him to know

636
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,600
the next day or two days later i think

637
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,720
he calls me back

638
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,880
and says oh i think it's it's definitely

639
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,640
our stuff i just don't know

640
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:53,520
you know more enough about it because he

641
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,000
just said

642
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,679
the slides and then he was no longer a

643
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,919
part of it so just the graphics part

644
00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:00,480
um and then that was it i i never

645
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:01,440
thought about it again

646
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,559
until dave beatty's show came out and i

647
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,400
heard i was able to hear

648
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,919
the actual audio because if you look

649
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:09,440
back at the tic tac video there is no

650
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,840
audio

651
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,600
you don't hear chad underwood which is

652
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,880
the person who filmed

653
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,440
the tic tac is chad underwood you don't

654
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,799
hear the communications going back and

655
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,840
forth to the ship

656
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:20,240
so you don't get to to be privy to that

657
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,200
so

658
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,320
um in hearing them on dave's show just

659
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,760
the reenactment of them

660
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:28,159
then it it clicked and and it put two

661
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,360
and two together to figure out what that

662
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:30,720
was and uh

663
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,159
so back at the time i believed

664
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,799
that they were utilizing u.s technology

665
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,720
because it was clear it was our

666
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,799
technology by the way he said this

667
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:42,320
meeting was set up the contractors were

668
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:42,880
there

669
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:49,280
um and at the time you could tell that

670
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,559
these were

671
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:53,679
what he thought were physical objects

672
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:56,960
and there are physical objects that were

673
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,760
part of this but as far as them

674
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,760
exhibiting the characteristic flights

675
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,600
patterns and all the speeds and all the

676
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,039
g-forces and all that

677
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,159
it no it didn't that didn't happen so

678
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:11,120
in what way were you hoodwinked well

679
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,000
because at the time

680
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:15,679
i i believed that they were actual

681
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:20,000
physical objects doing what

682
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,520
they tell us they were doing in the

683
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,440
videos which not one of the videos

684
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:26,000
shows anything extraordinary but it's

685
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,200
we're told that it does

686
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:30,720
okay but you you believed it but but

687
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,520
who hoodwinked you um i'm i'm doing the

688
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,640
you know those face you know the guys

689
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:36,000
that do the uh

690
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:37,440
uh where they look at you the body

691
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,640
language and stuff so i'm gonna try to

692
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,039
keep doing this right here

693
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,280
just have fun with um who had weak no

694
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,799
one's technically hoodwinked me i

695
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,320
basically hoodwinked myself because i

696
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,240
believed that that was an actual object

697
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,120
right so you believed it and then came

698
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,520
on the show and said it as a fact though

699
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,919
it was 100 certainty well this is what

700
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,200
it is

701
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,120
and that you know this for sure and that

702
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,280
it's built at plant plant 42

703
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,200
and that there's three different types

704
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,559
and they're built by different u.s

705
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,080
manufacturers

706
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,159
so all of that was things that you

707
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:09,760
believed at the time

708
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:12,400
the part about the the different

709
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,960
different

710
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,200
types of tic tac and stuff like that was

711
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,360
more or less me trying to decipher

712
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,360
information that i had little tidbits

713
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,799
that i was getting from him while he was

714
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,919
talking to me about that which

715
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,120
contractors are there because there were

716
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,720
more than one contractor there

717
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,840
and each contractor did not really have

718
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,799
overlapping

719
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,480
technologies that i thought of at the

720
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,480
time let's put it this way

721
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,360
lockheed raytheon two different two

722
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,799
different contractors they

723
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,200
lockheed's located at plant 42

724
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,120
raytheon's at plant 44

725
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,360
um they make physical craft but they

726
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:45,120
also make other things as well

727
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,559
so if you look if you look at it from

728
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:48,240
standpoint that one makes the at-fire

729
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,799
pod

730
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,279
keep in mind all three of these videos

731
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:52,880
were manufactured

732
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,520
uh the the app flier pods manufactured

733
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,279
by one company

734
00:24:00,950 --> 00:24:00,159
the atlar pod that took all three videos

735
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:00,960
same company

736
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:04,559
raytheon all three videos show

737
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:08,080
objects that we're told are doing

738
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:08,880
something

739
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,640
that i can prove that they're not

740
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,600
we'll get to that okay we're not letting

741
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:18,559
you off yet i know i know i'm

742
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,600
so i wanted uh discern between

743
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,760
things that you believed at the time

744
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,440
right of our interview

745
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,760
versus things that you were was the part

746
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,039
of the social experiment

747
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:32,159
okay so so what did you believe was the

748
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,640
case

749
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:35,120
versus what little things you just

750
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,400
sprinkled in like you know the

751
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,360
the the trump north korea thing right

752
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,480
the

753
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,760
42

754
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,440
that are made by these three companies i

755
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,440
mean obviously you didn't in fact know

756
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,200
that you had to make that up because

757
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
now you're saying it's not true no

758
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:54,000
no those contractors were there and they

759
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:55,279
did manufacture

760
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,200
the items that created what we

761
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,799
not what we see on the video but what

762
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,240
the pilot saw and what

763
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,559
kevin day and what all the right but at

764
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,000
the time of the interview we were

765
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,080
talking about a 40-foot

766
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,679
actual tic tac to buying

767
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,120
technology futuristic technology

768
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:17,600
that you're now saying is not what was

769
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,159
involved

770
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,279
in this so so that part

771
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,159
was just kind of fabricated for to make

772
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,679
for a good story

773
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,679
well let's put this way the at the time

774
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,440
i believed that the object that i was

775
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:31,279
looking at on the video was a physical

776
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,240
object which it was

777
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,320
each of the videos shows a physical

778
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:36,400
object okay

779
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,039
the objects that you see on the video

780
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,039
are simply not

781
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,840
what we're being told they probably are

782
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:45,440
or could be or what have you they're not

783
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,400
you know all these other things that

784
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,480
we'll get into later right or

785
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,400
not but they tell us what what you told

786
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,760
us they are well yeah

787
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,000
not what you told us they are right true

788
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,440
very good point very good point

789
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,679
um because i believed at the time that

790
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,679
these objects were real based on

791
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,679
the research i was doing to try to find

792
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,880
out what could

793
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,760
what research was being done to cause

794
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,360
these craft to be built

795
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,360
who and who had the technology to do it

796
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,120
and that's when i narrowed down because

797
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,960
i knew lockheed was one of them

798
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,320
and i knew lockheed was working on

799
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,880
fusion and lockheed in 2014 released a

800
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,400
video that said within five years we'll

801
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,440
have a working

802
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,600
fusion reactor that will work on an

803
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,559
aircraft

804
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:24,240
and it will be used by the military

805
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,279
first and then that would be

806
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:27,120
subsequently given to the public and

807
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,840
that video

808
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,760
is still there it's actually on my

809
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,120
channel um

810
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:34,159
that lockheed produced so at the time of

811
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,279
the interview

812
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,279
you said that the reason that you were

813
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:39,120
coming forward with the information

814
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,240
which turned out to be

815
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,200
false information was for to help the

816
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,880
military guys you wanted to support

817
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:46,559
these guys that had seen what they had

818
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,960
seen

819
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,960
and you wanted to you thought you felt

820
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,880
bad that they weren't being told the

821
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,080
truth by the military

822
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,960
that the military was lying to them and

823
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,640
that you were providing this information

824
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:58,159
to help them with closure

825
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,600
yeah and that's true to this day because

826
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,960
at the time i did believe that the

827
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,080
objects were

828
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,320
physically manufactured and we had the

829
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:05,600
technology at the time

830
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,840
to do what they do now i'm being

831
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,320
the information i've found out since the

832
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,480
show that i did with you

833
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,279
completely wipes that off the chart and

834
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,000
actually brings up some rather uh

835
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,919
disturbing other questions you know why

836
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,520
why would the our own government

837
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,880
spoof our own military right uh

838
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,159
into all these different things it's

839
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,640
just not not right not right

840
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,399
rather than so rather than providing

841
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,320
closure for the military guys

842
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,679
you actually just confused things

843
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,440
more for them well at the time i

844
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:40,799
actually believed that the objects were

845
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,200
real

846
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,880
i believed i believe at the time you

847
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:44,480
didn't just say that you believed it you

848
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,120
said that they

849
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,440
are for sure and you're coming forward

850
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,200
with this information to help them with

851
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,120
with closure and that 100 percent the

852
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:52,960
government is lying about it

853
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:56,720
right and 100 these are u.s technology

854
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:57,120
which

855
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:01,919
not split hairs i know i know i got you

856
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,640
i got you

857
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,799
so is there something you'd like to say

858
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,799
to the to the military guys that you

859
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:08,559
supposedly were coming on to

860
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,120
help them with closure basically that um

861
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,679
i mean if anything i said at the time

862
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:17,279
offended anyone and i know it did

863
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,279
obviously to a degree my goal

864
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,200
at the time and still is to this day is

865
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,039
to get accurate information and to put

866
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,559
that out at the time the information

867
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,000
that i had that i was given

868
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,799
and told i believed to be a factual at

869
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,159
the time so when i

870
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,880
said that the craft was real the 40-foot

871
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,600
tic-tac

872
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,039
i believed at the time that it was in

873
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,799
fact a real physical

874
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:41,840
um object which it technically kind of

875
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,559
is

876
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,799
but i have to wait till the next part of

877
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:46,159
the show to be able to explain

878
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,480
why i'm saying that um but anyway so

879
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,399
you believed it but but you also

880
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,080
presented it as fact

881
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,880
when when you didn't know it as a fact

882
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,520
you

883
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:59,840
believed it so that was the deception

884
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,559
was well

885
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,480
there's something i was shown that made

886
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:03,600
me believe it was

887
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,200
fact um so that's where the

888
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:08,720
the other part of the hoodwinking comes

889
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,240
in information was given to me uh

890
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,600
that was purported to be fact factual it

891
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,039
looked factual looked real

892
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:18,799
just like some of the a lot of the other

893
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,310
what was that it was basically a

894
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,760
document that she had pictures that

895
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,880
talked about different

896
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,559
uh things that were being manufactured

897
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,919
at plant 42 that's why i kept going to

898
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,120
plant 42. i kept one

899
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,960
wanting to catch image of this flying

900
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:35,440
out of building 600 601 or whichever the

901
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,080
main

902
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,840
factory building is that's what i wanted

903
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:39,600
to do

904
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,960
but an individual that i won't say which

905
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:44,799
company he works for

906
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:48,559
but uh was feeding me that um

907
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,679
and uh comes

908
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,600
it's hard to say because we're going to

909
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,720
get it we're going to get into that

910
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,000
spoofing area

911
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,440
really fast if we stay on this path okay

912
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,039
there are physical objects that are

913
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,279
being made but if this is this

914
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,320
this person intentionally deceived you

915
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,320
i don't think they did i think he was so

916
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,840
compartmentalized and he was so

917
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,799
believing in

918
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:13,039
what the what he thought the object was

919
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,320
going to do as well

920
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,679
uh that he thought it was doing

921
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:17,760
something different so

922
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,799
when i kept pressing him for his uh

923
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,720
status as to what he did there that's

924
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:24,799
when he came clean and told me what uh

925
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,240
what what they actually are um and

926
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:31,200
this goes from plant 42 plant 44

927
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,159
mckinney texas

928
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:35,120
it goes it goes all over all over the

929
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:36,159
map as far as how this

930
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,760
how this works now then let me cover

931
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,360
two last things about what you had to

932
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,279
say then and then we'll get to what

933
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,320
you have to see now um you talked

934
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,360
specifically about teresa

935
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,000
and there being 16 people that were

936
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:54,640
going to disseminate this information

937
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,640
about the what the tic tac actually

938
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,120
is right um and you're one of the people

939
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,640
that was to come forward

940
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,320
and then you expected the others to also

941
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,919
come forward and

942
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,240
they ultimately did not one person in

943
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,440
particular

944
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,600
you kind of said uh was supposed to come

945
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,279
forward with this information

946
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,399
and did not so did i tell you this on

947
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,440
the show because i don't remember

948
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,760
did i mention teresa on the show yeah

949
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,039
okay um

950
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:24,000
but serious teresa is a real person um

951
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:24,640
and

952
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,480
there's a group of people that are from

953
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,880
an area that i worked in and all of us

954
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,600
kind of like

955
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,279
chitchat and goof goof around with each

956
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,559
other we have a little email thing we do

957
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,000
back and forth kind of like the

958
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:39,279
the one that you see um but foddy's

959
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,159
email chain

960
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,000
yeah that one um it's kind of like that

961
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,919
but but we're you know it's all

962
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,600
you know us just bullshitting back and

963
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:47,679
forth with each other um

964
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,950
we got a wild dog back there

965
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,279
hold on one second let me no problem

966
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,399
take one break

967
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:01,519
um okay teresa in in the email

968
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,720
thread or that that that is so

969
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,559
irrelevant to everything that it's

970
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,240
really not even important um

971
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,000
that is well but it was a good part of

972
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,440
your story and again i'm trying to

973
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,640
discern between

974
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:15,039
parts of the the story where well they

975
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,919
were your belief

976
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,399
yeah on the teresa thing and that she

977
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,240
she used to be the coordinator

978
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:22,240
uh for the organization i used to work

979
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,279
with that would get

980
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:26,320
everybody where they needed to go i may

981
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:27,519
have mentioned this to you that that was

982
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,000
her job

983
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,399
it was basically like dispatch slash uh

984
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,919
coordinator slash whatever

985
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:34,399
and so all of us would rally around her

986
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,519
whenever

987
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,760
she would you know announce that we had

988
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,519
a job to do or what have you so

989
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:42,000
you know we'd have a four-man group go

990
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,279
or six man or whatever

991
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,039
um and she was the person that put all

992
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:46,799
that together so that's that's all

993
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,080
that is so gotcha so you kind of

994
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:53,440
morph that into the story and yeah

995
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,600
uh yes is part of the the fabricated

996
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,320
social experiment part of the story well

997
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,000
they are real people but i just

998
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,600
fabricated that part into the story yes

999
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,559
correct yeah

1000
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:07,440
and then uh what about you you also gave

1001
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,159
some background

1002
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,320
history as to how this thing was

1003
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,679
developed emanating from

1004
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,559
star wars and coming from universities

1005
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,760
dundee university

1006
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,679
yeah yeah jack got a kick out of that

1007
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,799
one um

1008
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,960
that was all just kind of woven and

1009
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,039
fabricated into that was all

1010
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,880
to give us the anti-gravity because if

1011
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:26,399
you go look for anti-gravity and you

1012
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,720
look

1013
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,720
at something that's fairly silly but

1014
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,159
somewhat

1015
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,360
was the most workable part was he had um

1016
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,480
kid i think his last name was kid and he

1017
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,279
had come up with a a way of

1018
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,000
you know reducing the inertia or the

1019
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:43,440
mass of another you're not reducing the

1020
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,000
mass but

1021
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,000
just basically the the weight of an

1022
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,919
object um

1023
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,000
and he was able to apparently do it by

1024
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,840
like 0.2 or something like this but no

1025
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:53,039
one has ever been able to actually

1026
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:54,000
duplicate it

1027
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,600
uh but some other experiments that they

1028
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,279
did in dundee university i wanted to

1029
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,880
have it outside the united states

1030
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,799
um that way it'd be harder to check on

1031
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,399
or what have you but but um

1032
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,360
but i think sandy kid is his name um i

1033
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,799
believe that's his name

1034
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,040
but no that's all you know you keep in

1035
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,440
mind that all of the research done

1036
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,440
to lead towards where we're eventually

1037
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:15,359
will have anti-gravity which effectively

1038
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:15,919
we can

1039
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,280
probably do you know within a reasonable

1040
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:20,399
amount of time

1041
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,000
um is based on

1042
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,440
all of the research done by all the

1043
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:27,280
people before you know just like you

1044
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,399
you know we're not no one's going to get

1045
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,480
anywhere without da vinci or without

1046
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:33,520
you know uh edison without tesla you

1047
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,000
know all

1048
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,599
the things they've done to get us to the

1049
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359
point where so you have to look back and

1050
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,960
that's easy another cool little fact

1051
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,480
that you kind of sprinkled in was that

1052
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:42,639
the tic tacs were actually transported

1053
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,480
via large trucks

1054
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:49,599
from plant 42 to vandenberg

1055
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,119
yeah that was also just a fabrication to

1056
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,720
embellish the story a bit and make it

1057
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,040
seem more believable

1058
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,359
yes but the i mean they're still

1059
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,200
transported by truck but they're

1060
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,800
they're not transported in the manner

1061
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,400
that i basically discussed that

1062
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,480
so yeah all of that was all part of a

1063
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,400
big so so if you take the

1064
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,720
the anything that had to do with a

1065
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,240
physical tic tac

1066
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,720
a physical object that part of the story

1067
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,560
complete fabrication

1068
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,119
okay or based on information that was

1069
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,800
told to me by another person but either

1070
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,440
way

1071
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,760
we can i'll just take it all myself that

1072
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,359
it's just totally hogwash

1073
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,680
okay now so i'll leave it up to the

1074
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,520
listeners and viewers as to whether or

1075
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,640
not they would like to

1076
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,720
uh oh they should watch it continue

1077
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,680
watching because

1078
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,200
now we're going to go into what turbo

1079
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,160
has to say now right after he's admitted

1080
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,240
that all the stuff that he said before

1081
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:42,160
was hogwash so yeah well now someone's

1082
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,280
gonna have to make the make their own

1083
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,000
determination

1084
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,240
whether or not uh anything is to be

1085
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,520
believed going forward

1086
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,520
and and i agree wholeheartedly and for

1087
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:52,160
me at this point with what i've

1088
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:56,000
basically found out is that i

1089
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,359
the information that i had at the time

1090
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,079
that i did your show uh

1091
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,520
was still positive but meaning

1092
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,280
it's u.s technology we're not dealing

1093
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,040
with china we're not dealing with russia

1094
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,599
there's reasons and there's proofs that

1095
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:11,599
anyone could see and go yeah that makes

1096
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,160
sense

1097
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,640
remember my story took all of this to

1098
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,920
put it together so the parts of the

1099
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:16,640
story that are

1100
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,320
factual um are still factual

1101
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,160
um and also an explanation of things i

1102
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,520
found out subsequently like

1103
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,359
the people that ended up showing up at

1104
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,359
the nimitz event there was four not two

1105
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,200
it's four people that showed up not two

1106
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,800
um that took the data bricks and all

1107
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:32,480
that stuff that pj was so mad at me

1108
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:33,359
about

1109
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:37,119
the new information for those who are

1110
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:37,920
still uh

1111
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,119
tuned in um i want to start with

1112
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,920
the video that you just released on 5x5

1113
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:45,599
news on youtube

1114
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:48,800
um where you talk about the uh is it the

1115
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:49,040
go

1116
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:55,119
event on the east coast from 20 what

1117
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,839
year

1118
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:58,240
uh 20 yeah the end of 2014 beginning of

1119
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,960
2015

1120
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,000
roosevelt okay and you lay out

1121
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,240
and as you point out in the video a guy

1122
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,520
even before you mick

1123
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,960
west is his name right yeah mcquest is

1124
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,839
done

1125
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,520
he's kind of a famous debunker right

1126
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,440
correct correct he

1127
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,800
um debunked that video

1128
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,920
and essentially uh said that

1129
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,839
just based on the information on the

1130
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:23,119
screen and you point out the same thing

1131
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,599
in your

1132
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,920
video that if you do the calculations

1133
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,760
it's not true that the object was flying

1134
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,200
close to the water it was flying at

1135
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,560
about 13 000 feet

1136
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,320
and it's not true that it was going

1137
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,320
close to the speed of sound it actually

1138
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:36,079
was going only 40 miles an hour which

1139
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,359
just happens to be the speed of

1140
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,880
approximately the wind

1141
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:41,359
and the size of it was more like a meter

1142
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:42,000
and not

1143
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,720
uh 40 meters and uh or 40 feet

1144
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,760
and um and most likely therefore it's

1145
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,440
simply a balloon

1146
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,520
and that is that is now your belief

1147
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:54,880
correct uh

1148
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,079
yes okay and there there's there's the

1149
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,079
the extra information to go along with

1150
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,680
that um

1151
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,680
obviously everything you said is is true

1152
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,680
the the

1153
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,839
the problem that i have with it is that

1154
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,040
if the information

1155
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:11,040
in the video itself is enough

1156
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,079
information

1157
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:15,040
to debunk the video then how in the

1158
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,760
world

1159
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:18,079
did an organization like ttsa to the

1160
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,200
stars academy

1161
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,599
have these experts come on board and all

1162
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,880
this and

1163
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:25,359
still repeat the same story even after

1164
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,640
they were told

1165
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:29,680
that of the three videos this one is

1166
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,520
a hundred percent debunked on face value

1167
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,359
how did it slip through their cracks who

1168
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,119
are these experts that they hired

1169
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,280
that could not figure this out and then

1170
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,800
it was argued with myself

1171
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,400
with as you as you're aware of because

1172
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,640
you saw the emails with uh eric

1173
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,200
eric bates oh i said air bags uh with

1174
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:48,640
eric davis

1175
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,560
that um that mike turbers uh you know

1176
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:55,040
krueger dunning whatever issue that he

1177
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,839
claims i have

1178
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,320
and turbo can't do math and turbo's this

1179
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,000
and he all these different things and

1180
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,000
i'm thinking okay well

1181
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,960
you don't know by the way i had to look

1182
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,440
that up

1183
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,359
by the way you maybe you you knew what

1184
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,440
that was kruger dunning it's called

1185
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,240
right yeah yeah apparently it's it's

1186
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:14,079
people that are too dumb to realize how

1187
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,880
dumb they are

1188
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,240
yes people that you've done they realize

1189
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,680
how dumb they are or people that are

1190
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:18,960
really stupid

1191
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,640
and believe or exaggerate on their

1192
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,000
abilities that they can do things that

1193
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,440
they actually can't

1194
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,200
which i find amusing because every

1195
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,800
you've seen all the stuff that

1196
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,320
i do i just i prove it to you except for

1197
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,079
the tic-tac-toe yeah

1198
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,680
now but but but let me make sure because

1199
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,680
there's three different um

1200
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:38,160
videos or for three different incidents

1201
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,960
nimitz

1202
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:41,760
yeah and then roosevelt well two

1203
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,240
incidents

1204
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:45,040
nimitz and roosevelt okay okay there's

1205
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,920
three videos

1206
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,760
the flear one video which is the title

1207
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,200
of the video is the tic tac video

1208
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:51,359
from the nimitz which is actually filmed

1209
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,240
by chad

1210
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,000
underwood not fragrant which a lot of

1211
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,920
people think but um but fravor is the

1212
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:57,280
one that chased the tic tac but he

1213
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,920
didn't have

1214
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,320
any ability to film it the other two

1215
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:02,240
videos you have go fast and you have

1216
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,119
gimbal

1217
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,400
those two videos were filmed uh in 2014

1218
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,760
2015

1219
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,240
um you know two different times and

1220
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,079
which is the video where you hear the

1221
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,480
pilots going holy [\h__\h] can you

1222
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,640
believe what you read the song let's go

1223
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,240
fast and they actually take that

1224
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:21,119
that audio and they play not not tsa but

1225
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,319
some people have taken that

1226
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,560
and because the audio is so salacious on

1227
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,079
that one video that they put it on top

1228
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,359
of the other videos

1229
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,040
to make it sound like those videos are

1230
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,960
more exciting than they actually are

1231
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:34,240
but if that video is

1232
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,079
sorry that audio is from the go fest

1233
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,520
the video of the go fast what you're

1234
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:41,280
saying actually is simply a weather

1235
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,079
balloon

1236
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,680
what's the explanation for why these

1237
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,400
pilots were yelling and screaming

1238
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,200
the well if you keep keep in mind you're

1239
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,880
only seeing i think it's a minute and

1240
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,960
37 seconds a minute and 17 seconds of

1241
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,720
video so you're not seeing what happened

1242
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,640
before that you're not seeing what

1243
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,160
happened after that

1244
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:01,119
um so without being privy to that and

1245
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:01,920
i'm not going to

1246
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,960
say that i have pre i have privy to that

1247
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,640
but we'll just stick with just the video

1248
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,800
itself so you hear him say whoa

1249
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,000
got him did you box a moving target

1250
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,680
and i got him with you know whatever so

1251
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,839
he's what he's done is

1252
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,839
they feel that target's moving and the

1253
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,440
target was so small

1254
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,200
they thought it was just far away but

1255
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,800
the target's relatively small is going

1256
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:24,400
to be hard to box so he boxed the moving

1257
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,200
target

1258
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,200
and uh but they were the ones

1259
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,400
effectively

1260
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,359
doing more of the moving so if if i took

1261
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:33,280
this camera here and started rotating it

1262
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,079
around my

1263
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,400
finger this back object everything would

1264
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:38,240
look like it's moving really fast

1265
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,119
and that's all you're doing you're

1266
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,280
having a slow moving object move through

1267
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,920
space and you're having an object that's

1268
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,680
moving at two i think it's 250 knots is

1269
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,359
what the the plane was moving at

1270
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,040
moving a different direction and through

1271
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,880
parallax effect you're essentially

1272
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,440
seeing

1273
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,599
what appears to be an object close in to

1274
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,040
the surface of the water

1275
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:58,319
and moving fast in fact ttsa's guys the

1276
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,040
experts

1277
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,680
had a term for how fast the object was

1278
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,480
going

1279
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,720
and i believe they use the term hauling

1280
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,359
ass which directly translates into a

1281
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,560
scientific term

1282
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,720
uh for hauling ass is two-thirds the

1283
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,680
speed of sound

1284
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,920
so you have like you have ludicrous

1285
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,119
speed

1286
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,880
and now we have hauling ass is

1287
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,240
two-thirds of the speed of sound so we

1288
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,079
can now put that in the books

1289
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,920
but that was where they left it they had

1290
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,440
these two experts come on the show

1291
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,839
on the unidentified show both of them

1292
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,599
around 20-25 years of experience one

1293
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,960
commercial pilot the other military

1294
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,680
pilot

1295
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,960
and one says it's hauling ass

1296
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,720
the other says it's two thirds of speed

1297
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,640
of sound um and they're saying that it's

1298
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,800
close to the surface of the water

1299
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,000
the problem is is that especially the

1300
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,599
military pilot if he ever used

1301
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,440
flare now keep in mind app flier is not

1302
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,720
used on all planes

1303
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,040
it's only used pretty much on the f18 so

1304
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,040
if he didn't fly f18s

1305
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,839
he wouldn't know you know what some of

1306
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,359
that data would be on the screen but he

1307
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,960
could probably figure it out

1308
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,359
if an object's if we know the distance

1309
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,440
that an object like this is a camera

1310
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,000
if we know the distance the object is

1311
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:05,760
and the angle that the object is

1312
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,960
from that source then we could basically

1313
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,839
figure out

1314
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,000
by figuring out the ang the angle and

1315
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,760
the triangle

1316
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,680
measure the sides now you know how far

1317
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,680
away it is and you know

1318
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,599
the altitude it is above the surface of

1319
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,680
the water so that's why i did the video

1320
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:22,480
that you saw

1321
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,119
i didn't use any calculator i didn't use

1322
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,480
anything at all

1323
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:29,200
and you're able to determine this

1324
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,920
altitude

1325
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,040
of the object just by a few pieces of

1326
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,319
information if you know the plane's at

1327
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,839
25 000 feet

1328
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,839
you know the object sits 4.4 nautical

1329
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,200
miles when it was first boxed

1330
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,400
that's 26 735 feet and you go

1331
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,640
down that angle which i could you could

1332
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,000
show graphics whatever

1333
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,680
um that's 11 720 feet below the

1334
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,680
the flying craft if they fly if the f-18

1335
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,520
is 25 000 feet

1336
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,440
it's that means the craft is at 13 000

1337
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,359
feet that's nowhere near low

1338
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,520
and close to the surface of the ocean so

1339
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,119
so if this thing

1340
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:03,119
turned out turns out to simply be a

1341
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,560
weather balloon

1342
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,319
what would be the explanation for why

1343
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,839
the pilots didn't understand i mean

1344
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,520
these guys aren't idiots i mean they fly

1345
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,480
by stuff

1346
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,319
that's you know i'm sure they've flown

1347
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,319
by weather balloons probably before but

1348
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,280
i mean how how how could you just what

1349
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,960
is the violence being tricked yeah what

1350
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,160
did what did the pilot say that it was

1351
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,240
they remember they they just i i don't

1352
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,359
recall it was just that

1353
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:28,400
they never did they expressed shock and

1354
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:29,119
surprise

1355
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:32,319
and like whoa holy [\h__\h] kind of response

1356
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,640
so

1357
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,640
right and then that's two guys flying

1358
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,319
along they see something moving over the

1359
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,599
water that they they feel

1360
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,839
and they they box it and they were

1361
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,599
excited to to box it

1362
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,440
but they never say whoa we just boxed

1363
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,520
the ufo well we need to get permission

1364
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,200
to go chase this thing well they clearly

1365
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,720
thought it was they clearly thought it

1366
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:50,560
was a ufo because they were acting so

1367
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,359
surprised if they

1368
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,119
they wouldn't say oh my god look at that

1369
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,720
weather balloon

1370
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,000
yeah well so they clearly didn't think

1371
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,760
it was a weather balloon yeah

1372
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,280
and i gotta think these guys have enough

1373
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,880
experience and understanding that an

1374
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,440
object

1375
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,280
that's not moving will appear to be

1376
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,040
moving right if you like

1377
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,119
now you're interjecting thought into

1378
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,640
this video the video does

1379
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,200
nothing that you say i'm just like i

1380
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,760
thought into the pilot's head

1381
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,440
explain why would the pilots have

1382
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,280
reacted as they did

1383
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,560
if this thing was simply a weather

1384
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,560
balloon who knows but the

1385
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,319
the thing is is that these pilots if

1386
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,160
they whenever they come forward

1387
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,920
they they would they would first off

1388
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,880
they're going to know that the

1389
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:28,240
information supplied to them on that

1390
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,720
floor

1391
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,040
they didn't say hey we boxed a moving

1392
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,640
target hauling ass

1393
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,880
near the ocean's surface that

1394
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,040
information was given to us by ttsa

1395
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,480
the department of defense never said

1396
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,520
that they didn't made that claim

1397
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,680
defense has said that we don't know what

1398
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:45,200
these things were that they

1399
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,880
experienced some uap unidentified aerial

1400
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,760
phenomenon

1401
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,839
right and if they and if they never went

1402
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:53,359
down and checked out that object that

1403
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,680
was

1404
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,960
of the speed of sound they still could

1405
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,160
keep up with it

1406
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,079
and they never did so so for all of

1407
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:01,599
these smart people

1408
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,280
that have looked at that video at ttsa

1409
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:08,160
department of defense yep interested

1410
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,880
parties

1411
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,000
yeah are we saying that mick west

1412
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:15,440
and mike turber are the two people that

1413
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,920
have

1414
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,000
figured this out and no one else has

1415
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,359
yeah and i even offered ten thousand

1416
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,560
dollars to anybody that could prove

1417
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,800
prove it wrong um and people came on the

1418
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:24,480
show and no one to this date

1419
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,760
has been able to do to do that even yeah

1420
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:30,000
so let's okay so that's that one now

1421
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,119
let's talk about

1422
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,520
uh no let's hang on let's let's finish

1423
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,880
with go fast real quick i want to be

1424
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,560
real clear on go fast okay

1425
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,400
the reason the reason why go fast is so

1426
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:39,839
important of the three videos

1427
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:42,640
is because it debunks itself the problem

1428
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:42,880
is

1429
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,520
pushed these videos out there and told

1430
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:49,040
you what's in the video

1431
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,160
they didn't just put it out there and

1432
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,760
say okay you take a look at it and let's

1433
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:53,280
all come together and see what we think

1434
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,319
this is

1435
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,000
no they put it out there and said that

1436
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,800
this object is doing these things

1437
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,680
it's not that's the problem you don't

1438
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,560
have to be

1439
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,079
you don't have to use trigonometry or

1440
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,160
anything to figure out what this did the

1441
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,680
amazing thing

1442
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,640
is that this one video of the three okay

1443
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,000
this one video

1444
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:15,040
is clearly not what is what is purported

1445
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,520
to be

1446
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,760
the bigger question is when that

1447
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,359
information was given to

1448
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,680
to the stars academy that they did not

1449
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,520
retract it in the scientific community

1450
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,000
and we were

1451
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,000
promised that ttsa would look at these

1452
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,160
things from a scientific perspective

1453
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,599
so if you're going to going to do that

1454
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,680
and someone says hey no it's it's not

1455
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,640
doing that

1456
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,319
or it's not at the altitude you said

1457
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,000
which also means it's not the altitude

1458
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,079
it's certainly not doing the same speed

1459
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,680
and then come to find out it's doing the

1460
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:41,839
same speed as a prevailing wind

1461
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:45,119
then there's a problem but what happens

1462
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,599
if i

1463
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:47,200
like let's say you you tell me something

1464
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,480
jim and you come up you do this

1465
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,920
experiment whatever and you say hey

1466
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,280
this is doing this and this and this and

1467
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,119
then i prove to you that it's not doing

1468
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:55,040
what you said it does

1469
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,960
what do you do well just interject

1470
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,800
i'm not going to say that you have

1471
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,079
proven

1472
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,480
that that's not that it's not that you

1473
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,720
have you've presented an analysis and a

1474
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,440
theory

1475
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,119
right uh that actually mcquest

1476
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,040
originally posited

1477
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,640
based on his youtube video about a year

1478
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,160
ago um and

1479
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,960
it has yet to have been countered is

1480
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,480
really what you're saying

1481
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,240
and i'm i haven't done any digging to

1482
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,960
see has ttsa or any other experts

1483
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,800
responded for instance to what nick west

1484
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,280
put up a year ago in saying that

1485
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,520
actually mick west you're wrong and

1486
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,119
here's in what way you're wrong

1487
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,440
no there's not there's nothing out there

1488
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,800
that they have

1489
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,240
that said they what they've done is

1490
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,760
they've attacked the individual they've

1491
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:39,520
attacked me they've attacked nick

1492
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:42,880
they've they've basically stated that uh

1493
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,920
our experts uh you know it's like our

1494
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:47,520
kung fu is better than your kung fu

1495
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,040
so to speak but the problem is is that

1496
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,480
they can't show it if you're gonna

1497
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,480
present something and you

1498
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,480
and i'm always asked to present the data

1499
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,839
with it so

1500
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,240
the data is in the video it's this isn't

1501
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,400
something that i have to go calculate

1502
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,480
and figure out or whatever yeah well i

1503
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,920
encourage people to watch

1504
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,880
both your video and make west's video to

1505
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,440
see

1506
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,119
the calculation because it is as you

1507
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:12,240
point out a very straightforward

1508
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,119
calculation

1509
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:15,440
right but but that okay we can go back

1510
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,640
to one of you if you want but i want to

1511
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,040
move on to the two others because it

1512
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,720
is relevant if you're saying that one

1513
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,319
has been discredited then

1514
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,240
what do we have to discredit the other

1515
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,839
two the other two

1516
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,599
on gimbal which is about the same time

1517
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,160
frame is go fast that one has been

1518
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:33,200
so in my opinion the best debunking of

1519
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,599
that

1520
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,760
has been done by mick west so it would

1521
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:37,680
be much better for someone to go look

1522
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,240
at mick west's work and to see what he's

1523
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,599
done on that because he not only shows

1524
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:46,800
what the object is most likely

1525
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,000
doing he proves it he

1526
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:52,240
essentially duplicates what you see on

1527
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,200
the screen

1528
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,119
using normal items that you'd find

1529
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,040
around this home

1530
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,559
yeah is that the one because i watched

1531
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,319
his videos his videos are very

1532
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,079
short very easy watches so i also

1533
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,440
encourage those um

1534
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,240
is that the one where he said it was

1535
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:07,680
actually a plane or is that the one

1536
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,319
where you're saying

1537
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:11,440
it it's a glare right he said you see

1538
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,559
mix shows that it's glare and that the

1539
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,800
lens system inside the app floor pod

1540
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:17,839
once it hits

1541
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,280
zero degrees it rotates it has it can't

1542
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,200
you know it's like a you've seen the

1543
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,800
cameras ptz cameras what have you when

1544
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,319
they get to a certain point they can't

1545
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,920
go any further so they have to change

1546
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,520
angle and go a different direction so as

1547
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:31,599
you see that happening the internal lens

1548
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:32,319
turns

1549
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,599
this is so easily seen

1550
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,440
when you're debunking this a person

1551
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,960
that's used to looking at video

1552
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,200
would look at it and immediately know

1553
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,800
that that's a lens turning

1554
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,960
because you can see see it you can

1555
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,400
literally see it there's problems

1556
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:47,839
turning but what exactly are we looking

1557
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,319
at we're

1558
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,800
looking at glare glare on the lens glare

1559
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,240
from what

1560
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,079
glare from the object whenever you're

1561
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,599
looking at an object that's

1562
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,480
uh it has a heat plume or has whatever

1563
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:59,680
whatever you're looking at inside the

1564
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,480
lens system

1565
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,160
there's going to be glare inside the

1566
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,520
lens it's called aberratic

1567
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,079
uh uh ever you know an aberration which

1568
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,680
is ghost it's term for ghost

1569
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,359
if you have chromatic aberration which

1570
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,720
you've seen on your own pictures when

1571
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:12,000
you take a picture of anything that has

1572
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,280
sunlight coming in

1573
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,280
or anything that's that is bright or

1574
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,800
anything is different than the

1575
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:19,200
object behind it there's going to be

1576
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,240
artifacts

1577
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,760
that come off of that object that are

1578
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,599
not straight if you aim a camera at a

1579
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,960
light you see

1580
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,480
the the rays coming out you don't see

1581
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,240
them with your eyes but the camera does

1582
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,520
and the reason is is because of the

1583
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,160
optics inside the camera's lens

1584
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,680
and that provided an explanation because

1585
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:35,680
in that gimbal video you see the thing

1586
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,800
rotating a bit right yeah and it does if

1587
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:41,200
if without knowing the other information

1588
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,079
or you know

1589
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,079
without being able to analyze it it does

1590
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,079
look like it's doing some crazy stuff

1591
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:48,000
that object's doing 120 miles an hour

1592
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,119
but let me just ask this

1593
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,200
so okay so let's say that he has

1594
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:53,200
debunked the idea that this whatever it

1595
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:53,440
is

1596
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:57,920
proven that it was not

1597
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,440
a uap flying at

1598
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:04,400
you know incredible speeds etc well that

1599
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,280
object wasn't

1600
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,440
um none of the objects were traveling at

1601
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,119
any great speed and

1602
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,800
you know so that's the cool thing is

1603
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,559
that somehow

1604
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,640
these the way that this was it's genius

1605
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,839
is how they did it the way these three

1606
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:17,280
videos have been presented to us and

1607
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,319
over time

1608
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,960
we have formed in our heads our vision

1609
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,160
of what they're actually doing when in

1610
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,920
fact if you just watch the video

1611
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,599
and don't have anyone explain anything

1612
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:28,160
to you they do nothing extraordinary

1613
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,359
not one of them does anything

1614
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,280
extraordinary

1615
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,880
expect and then when you start to to

1616
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,640
know the mechanics behind it and the

1617
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,839
analytics behind it

1618
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,680
and everything else that goes along with

1619
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,880
looking at an object

1620
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,119
and going frame by frame and figuring

1621
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,599
out okay now i know what's going on

1622
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,839
and then you're able to duplicate it

1623
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:47,119
that's where that's where mick west

1624
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,640
excels at that because he was able to

1625
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,680
duplicate

1626
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,400
what you see in gimbal um okay let's go

1627
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:53,520
let's go to nimitz

1628
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,359
okay uh as far as that video

1629
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,559
the chat underwood video um

1630
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,520
which purports what what are the ttsa

1631
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,200
guys saying that that video

1632
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,119
they're they're saying that the object

1633
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,960
at the end of the video

1634
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,440
you see what appears and i hope you play

1635
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,640
these videos maybe in the background

1636
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,240
maybe a graphic or something um

1637
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,720
you will see the object appear to move

1638
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,720
or jet off to the left at an

1639
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:21,680
an incredible accelerated speed but what

1640
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,079
so

1641
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,640
hold on how how fast is it supposedly

1642
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,839
going before

1643
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,400
it jets off at the screen they don't

1644
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,599
ever really say

1645
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:31,280
how fast it's going at that basically

1646
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:32,559
they were keeping up with it because it

1647
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,520
wasn't getting

1648
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:36,079
larger or smaller or whatever it it's

1649
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,559
it's a

1650
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,800
whatever it is it was moving to the left

1651
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,760
to begin with

1652
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:42,240
right and then and then uh yeah and

1653
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,960
again

1654
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,280
there's a short mick west video on this

1655
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:46,960
that um

1656
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:49,839
and i think yeah at the end of the

1657
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,400
screen

1658
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,160
yeah and he's really saying that that

1659
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,640
was the did you say it was the camera

1660
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,680
adjusting or something

1661
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:57,920
there's two things one as the as the

1662
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:59,200
object is

1663
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,800
appears to be jutting off the screen

1664
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,200
you'll see the zoom on the magnification

1665
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,720
change from two to one back forth or

1666
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,440
what have you

1667
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,000
so when when you zoom the object it it

1668
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,440
obviously looks like it moves off screen

1669
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,480
so as

1670
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:13,520
the app fleer lost lock on the object

1671
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,920
because

1672
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,559
if you look at the range it says 99.9

1673
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,000
that means the object is beyond the

1674
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,760
range of the outflare's ability to range

1675
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,800
it anyway

1676
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,720
so the object was a long way away the

1677
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:25,200
range of the app flare is 18.5 to 22

1678
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:25,680
miles

1679
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,559
so the object was past that distance it

1680
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,760
was at it at

1681
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,520
probably one of the most extreme

1682
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:33,520
magnifications to even get to that

1683
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,799
level to see it the object if you

1684
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,000
compare it to another

1685
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:40,640
app flare or another flir video that i

1686
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:41,280
have

1687
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,200
like an f18

1688
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,280
banking to the left and i have that

1689
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,400
video on my channel

1690
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,799
i have video of a forward-looking

1691
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:51,680
infrared

1692
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,680
of a of an f-18 banking to the left

1693
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,160
and it looks almost identical to the

1694
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,319
flare one video that chad underwood took

1695
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,880
and my question is this if chad took off

1696
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,200
with a wingman

1697
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,960
why wasn't his wingman ever mentioned in

1698
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,640
the report beyond

1699
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,640
them going off together and where was

1700
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,920
his wingman

1701
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:14,720
um whether whether what other objects

1702
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,119
were

1703
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,960
occupying that section of the sky at the

1704
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,480
same time so

1705
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,640
you would posit that what we see in the

1706
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,480
video is actually another f-18

1707
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,319
it's probably another f-18 and it very

1708
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:26,160
well could be chad underwood's wingman i

1709
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:26,960
don't know

1710
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,720
in uh gimbal do we have a theory as to

1711
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,440
what

1712
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,599
it's it's it's it's probably an f-18 as

1713
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,960
well um

1714
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,799
because it when you look at it if you if

1715
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,160
you transpose the

1716
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,559
the rear end of an f-18 or a video of an

1717
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,240
f-18 going off that direction

1718
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:44,160
you know traveling to the left banking

1719
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:45,920
to the left on the flare one video

1720
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,440
and doing a not even a turn i mean

1721
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:51,119
the the funny thing about gimbal is is

1722
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,559
the object's really not even turning

1723
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:54,000
it's literally just the lens system

1724
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,640
inside

1725
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,240
the flare turning the reason why you

1726
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:58,079
know it's the lens turning is because

1727
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,200
the clouds

1728
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,640
dirty lens is moving

1729
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,480
with that so the whole the whole scene

1730
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,400
moves

1731
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,440
okay so is that the end

1732
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,680
it turns out that these things were

1733
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,040
misinterpreted

1734
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,960
no that's not the end this is this might

1735
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,079
be a two-part

1736
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,760
show because if you get into what they

1737
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:20,480
actually were and what i'm finding out

1738
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,680
let's look at look at it this way

1739
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,000
mercury systems mercury systems is a

1740
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,839
company that makes drfms which is a

1741
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,760
device that actually mimics

1742
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,480
anything that they want it to and so if

1743
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:32,319
a plane's flying along has transponder

1744
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,960
or is emitting any type of

1745
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,000
electromagnetic waves or whatever

1746
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,280
that device is able to mimic it

1747
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,839
and then continue on with its

1748
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,440
transmission so it could make it look

1749
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,720
like there's one of them

1750
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,280
or a hundred of them okay and it also

1751
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,119
does the doppler effect so that it can

1752
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,640
show the object moving

1753
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,119
and moving at great speeds this is what

1754
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,680
the technology was being proven in 2014

1755
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,319
and 2015 they got the contract i believe

1756
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,319
in 2015 mercury systems

1757
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:03,040
so if you write after the show look up

1758
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,160
mercury systems

1759
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:06,480
spoofing technology and look who bought

1760
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:07,520
it

1761
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,280
so in the 2004 incident what you're

1762
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:15,359
looking at is spoofing technology back

1763
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,000
then

1764
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,559
uh primarily partially by raytheon and

1765
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,520
to get

1766
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,400
the entire exercise to work properly and

1767
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,400
for everyone to analyze the data

1768
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,480
and the reason why the bricks were taken

1769
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,079
was so that no one would know

1770
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,920
that they were spoofed the four guys

1771
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,680
that went on the ship two plain clothes

1772
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:33,440
guys you had two guys in flight suits

1773
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,880
yeah the two plane coast guys they were

1774
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:37,200
from raytheon um that i was able to find

1775
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,160
out that's worth

1776
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,680
that's what i was told whether or not

1777
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,200
it's true you know

1778
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,960
i don't know but what i was told was the

1779
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,559
two guys that were in plain clothes

1780
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,440
were from raytheon and i believe pj may

1781
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:48,799
know that by now i don't know

1782
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,559
but um but that's the data bricks went

1783
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,559
back to the manufacturer

1784
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,559
and then the data from that was either

1785
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,000
recorded or whatever but anyway it got

1786
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,280
back to

1787
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,720
a certain airbase that the us

1788
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,880
air force research laboratory is

1789
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:06,559
residing at

1790
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,839
so um you're saying back in

1791
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,079
the nimitz incident that was raytheon

1792
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,319
technology

1793
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,680
and but but for the other one it's

1794
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,760
mercury systems technology mercury

1795
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,599
systems was the technology that was

1796
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:21,040
being tested at the time that the

1797
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,000
roosevelt

1798
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:24,960
uh was out and keep in mind both carrier

1799
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,440
groups

1800
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:28,319
just had upgrades to their radar systems

1801
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,040
um

1802
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,520
both were in training uh scenarios they

1803
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,880
were in their workups to go out for

1804
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:33,599
crews

1805
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,440
um and the perfect situation

1806
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:40,079
whenever fravor was going out or the

1807
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,359
other pilots were going out they were

1808
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,119
specifically asked

1809
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,280
for what what is their loadout now what

1810
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,119
that means is they're asking do you have

1811
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,720
any weapons on board

1812
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,960
um it's my opinion that they were being

1813
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,040
asked if they had weapons on board

1814
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,760
not because they needed those weapons to

1815
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,280
shoot down the objects possibly that

1816
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,799
they were about to encounter

1817
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,640
they wanted to make absolutely certain

1818
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,920
that they did not

1819
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,839
shoot down those objects because the

1820
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:05,119
objects were ours anyway

1821
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,559
keep in mind when the pilots came back

1822
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:08,400
and everything was reported to upper

1823
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:09,040
command

1824
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,319
hold on when you say the objects are

1825
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,240
ours but you're saying they're spoofing

1826
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:13,680
so aren't you saying that they actually

1827
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,319
don't exist

1828
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,440
no you have to you have to put a

1829
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,599
physical object in in the air and

1830
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,520
in some of these cases to have this look

1831
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:20,960
like you think imagine a

1832
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:23,119
a string of lights okay and the lights

1833
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:24,160
are all off

1834
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,520
if you wanted to give the appearance

1835
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,440
that the lights were moving you blinked

1836
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:29,040
this one on this one on this one on this

1837
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,520
one on

1838
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,119
and so forth so it appears that the

1839
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,720
lights are moving that's effectively how

1840
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,240
some of the spoofing technology works

1841
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,839
is you actually have a physical object

1842
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,240
that actually has something on board

1843
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,839
which transmits the signal to make it

1844
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,079
look like it's moving you also have what

1845
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:43,599
kind of physical object are we talking

1846
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,079
about

1847
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,319
uh looks amazingly like um they look

1848
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,670
and you would just need one balloon no

1849
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,799
you could use several

1850
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,880
which which would create a much larger

1851
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:56,960
effect or the drfms would be able to

1852
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,599
transmit

1853
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,599
uh those signals to make it appear that

1854
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,960
objects are moving through space and

1855
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,440
time

1856
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:04,000
this is not the one what i'm saying now

1857
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,640
is not even

1858
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,640
classified this is information that you

1859
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:08,160
can look up right now

1860
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:09,599
it's right there just just look at

1861
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:12,559
mercury systems um

1862
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,160
navy by spoofing technology and

1863
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,040
and how does it work so let's say you

1864
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,200
have multiple balloons

1865
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,520
how could you make it appear to a pilot

1866
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,079
who's out there flying

1867
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,880
that it's moved from balloon a to bloom

1868
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,680
b

1869
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,440
well keep in mind each of the pilots

1870
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,880
whenever they saw something

1871
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,119
it was one object then when they say

1872
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,480
that they saw fleets of them

1873
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,880
it's look at the asa but they saw one

1874
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,799
object moving

1875
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,799
so so how does the spoofing technology

1876
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:44,319
make it appear that it's moving

1877
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,920
it's it doesn't and that's where this

1878
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:48,000
gets into a realm that what i'm about to

1879
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:49,119
tell you

1880
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,319
is going to be uh scrutinized greatly

1881
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,160
and i'm probably going to be laughed at

1882
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,720
because of it but this is the

1883
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,880
best information that i have to date

1884
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:00,880
based on what i have

1885
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,520
the whenever fravor went out and when

1886
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:04,960
kurth went out before

1887
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:08,079
they both saw a bubbling of whatever in

1888
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,799
the water

1889
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:11,520
okay about the size of a small jetliner

1890
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,319
what have you but

1891
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,839
obviously the same about the same size

1892
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,079
of the submarine so they see this

1893
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,520
bubbling effect in the water

1894
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,680
well kurth sees that but not the tic tac

1895
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,720
comes on back

1896
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:23,599
uh to the ship flavor continues on with

1897
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:24,000
it with

1898
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,920
with his wingman or wing woman if you

1899
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:27,440
want to call her that um

1900
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,040
and so you have four individuals that go

1901
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,720
out and as they look down

1902
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:32,559
they see the tic tac so how can you

1903
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,839
visually see this object

1904
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,359
remember it's darting back and forth

1905
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,480
across the water but always in a north

1906
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,200
south angle in other words the object

1907
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:43,040
say if this was i wish i had a fake tic

1908
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,760
tac here

1909
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:45,440
so if this was your tic tac it always

1910
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,960
stayed at the same

1911
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,799
uh angle of attack so to speak and it

1912
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,640
was it didn't turn and then go this way

1913
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:52,079
and then turn and go this way and so

1914
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,359
forth it just stayed like this and went

1915
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:54,640
back and forth

1916
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,160
amazingly enough when you launch a

1917
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,960
spoofing balloon from a submarine and it

1918
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,720
goes up and it's still on a tether

1919
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:05,200
and it inflates and it's getting ready

1920
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:06,720
to go it's on the tether

1921
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,079
and if you have ever held an object

1922
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,640
underwater or above the water with a

1923
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,920
string attached to it

1924
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,839
and any movement happens it's going to

1925
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,520
look like that thing's

1926
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:20,079
doing all of this just like a bobber

1927
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,200
that you have when you're fishing

1928
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,799
so you have this thing in the sky that's

1929
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,799
being tethered still to a submarine

1930
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:27,440
and then the final release so it's

1931
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,160
framers

1932
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,400
and then this is just me piecing this

1933
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,039
together so none of this is

1934
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,880
this is the best case scenario of how to

1935
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:36,720
explain what these guys are seeing

1936
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,000
okay the spoofing actually is

1937
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,920
is the legit what's happening now is

1938
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,039
just me explaining it

1939
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:45,119
forever flies down sees this object move

1940
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,160
moving back and forth

1941
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:48,160
as framers flying down the balloon is

1942
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:50,079
released so the balloon starts to come

1943
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:50,640
up

1944
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,200
and he's coming down he's following it

1945
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,000
in his mind he thinks it's a lot further

1946
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,680
away than it actually is it's a lot

1947
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,520
closer to him so as he goes

1948
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,200
remember during the story he says he cut

1949
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:05,359
the circle in half and as he cut the

1950
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:05,920
circle

1951
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,720
the object greatly accelerated and went

1952
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:10,559
past his wing and then just flew off and

1953
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,599
was over the

1954
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,960
horizon within two seconds well

1955
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,720
according to what i was told was that

1956
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:18,400
fravor actually got so close to this

1957
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,280
balloon

1958
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:22,319
actually exploded or popped

1959
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:24,160
and then went straight down to the water

1960
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,839
as he turns around to look

1961
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,880
they're thinking that the thing

1962
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,880
continued on that path but it actually

1963
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,480
was not moving hardly at all

1964
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,640
all of the motion just like go fast was

1965
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,520
him as he cuts that circle in half

1966
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,680
and he flies towards it it's a he's a

1967
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,599
lot closer to it than he thought he was

1968
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,720
and that object pops goes to the water

1969
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,720
he looks back thinks he sees it going

1970
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,240
over the uh the horizon

1971
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,960
the object shows up at the cap point um

1972
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,319
and you know within if

1973
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:52,079
i think it was within 30 seconds or so

1974
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,359
actually probably faster than that

1975
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,520
that shows up at the cap point how would

1976
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,119
that object know where the cap point is

1977
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,280
the cap point just everybody knows is a

1978
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,400
is a space is a area in space

1979
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:05,359
not space like space but an area um that

1980
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:06,160
the

1981
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,599
planes would rally around that would be

1982
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,839
like a rally point um for lack of a

1983
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,559
better term

1984
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:13,359
uh but for that object to show up

1985
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,880
directly at the cap point we're not

1986
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,680
talking about

1987
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:18,720
altitude same everything they would have

1988
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:19,760
to know where that was

1989
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,039
well obviously the air force knew where

1990
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:24,720
it was so they spoofed

1991
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:27,200
an object being at that point the other

1992
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,319
thing too

1993
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,319
well yeah i'm trying to distinguish

1994
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,920
between

1995
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,319
the actual balloon and a spoofed balloon

1996
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,640
so you're saying those essentially both

1997
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,319
yeah well the the balloon that whatever

1998
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,520
was being launched from the submarine

1999
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:42,880
you can say it was a spoofing balloon or

2000
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:44,000
it was going to be whatever i don't want

2001
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,960
to say weather balloon because you're

2002
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,559
not launching weather balloons from from

2003
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,079
submarines just for for the fun of it so

2004
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,760
whatever balloon was being launched was

2005
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,760
to aid in the spoofing technology test

2006
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,119
that was being done at the time

2007
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,720
right the whole area was cleared out

2008
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,799
anyway the air force is already there

2009
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,240
testing other things of course

2010
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,760
you have a hypersonic missile that was

2011
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:01,599
tested two days after this in the same

2012
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:02,319
area

2013
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,799
there was a reason for the air force to

2014
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,160
be in that area that's the

2015
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,200
the 10 point the mach 10.5 x 47 i think

2016
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:13,599
it is x 43 or x 47.

2017
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:17,039
so so um do do you understand how the

2018
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:18,400
spoofing technology

2019
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:22,480
works i've got a i've got how using a

2020
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,760
balloon are they able to somehow and

2021
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,039
they're not using the balloon the

2022
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:29,599
balloon is carrying a loft the drfm

2023
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,400
which is the

2024
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:33,359
transmitter that transmits the um the

2025
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,000
signal

2026
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:36,079
that is mimicked they can mimic whatever

2027
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,359
they want it to make it appear to be

2028
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:38,640
they can make it look like it's one

2029
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:39,200
plane

2030
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:40,240
they can make it look like it's a

2031
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:41,280
hundred planes they can make it look

2032
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,559
like it's a huge plane

2033
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,960
and they can have it like are we talking

2034
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,400
about simply

2035
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:49,440
to fool a radar system or

2036
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,039
actually the human eye uh well both

2037
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,000
but the actual system itself is made to

2038
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,079
spoof the radar systems keep in mind

2039
01:06:01,190 --> 01:06:00,319
each object that you saw on those three

2040
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:01,200
videos

2041
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,640
flare one which is the tic tac

2042
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,559
if it is what we what we're saying it is

2043
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,079
it's just an f-18

2044
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:10,400
at a distance gimbal is just a balloon

2045
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:11,599
which may be one of those spoofing

2046
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:12,400
balloons that was

2047
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:13,839
happened to be in that area because they

2048
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:15,599
were testing it there as well

2049
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,640
and the same thing with uh with the

2050
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,200
uh with gimbal rather uh gimbal would

2051
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,559
have been just another plane

2052
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:24,240
and all you're seeing is artifacts so

2053
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,760
someone looking at these videos cherry

2054
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,880
picked these videos

2055
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,400
because of either the audio made it

2056
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:29,760
looks delicious or just the information

2057
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,520
in the video made the video look good

2058
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:34,160
they screwed up when they brought on go

2059
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,799
fest

2060
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:36,240
that's where they made the mistake

2061
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,599
that's the achilles heel on this whole

2062
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:38,880
thing is go fest

2063
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,960
so what would you see going back to the

2064
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,720
spoofing technology

2065
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,400
and what was never been clear to me is

2066
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,760
fraver talks about

2067
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,280
seeing this thing go from here to there

2068
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,200
when he talks about seeing it

2069
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,640
was he talking about with his own eyes

2070
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:52,079
or is he talking about on his radar

2071
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,200
screen no he's someone

2072
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:55,280
on his with his own eyes when he look

2073
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,480
according to his

2074
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,720
uh what i remember of what he what he

2075
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,400
said i'm trying to be very clear

2076
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,079
because i i really don't want to offend

2077
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:03,520
any of these guys and there's almost no

2078
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,680
way around it i guess at this point

2079
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,359
as he's looking down he sees it with his

2080
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:09,839
own eyes and he knows how

2081
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,880
far an object uh how big an object is

2082
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,400
based on the distance he is from it so

2083
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:16,720
he when he estimated the object was 40

2084
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:18,160
feet

2085
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,799
uh my my i'm being told the object was

2086
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,599
half that

2087
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:24,240
size but if but if he saw it then what

2088
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:24,799
he

2089
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,640
inflate and it goes up and it holds on

2090
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:40,160
tether until everything is ready to go

2091
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:41,440
and then it releases

2092
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,920
um that's the way it was explained to me

2093
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:45,839
if the submarine's underwater and the

2094
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,039
it was skies were clear beautiful day

2095
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,960
those oceans were fairly calm but maybe

2096
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,039
enough motion to allow that

2097
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,720
the tether or whatever to move around to

2098
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,240
make it appear that this thing is

2099
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:58,000
bobbing up and down so an object bobbing

2100
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,640
up and down

2101
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,799
at a distance can also look like it's

2102
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,480
doing river but the key thing he said

2103
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:04,720
that made it very clear so what it was

2104
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,079
was that the object kept its orientation

2105
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:11,119
at a north south orientation the

2106
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,240
prevailing winds

2107
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,720
for that day were exactly that so if

2108
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:16,159
you're tethering a balloon that has a

2109
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,279
shape of a tic-tac

2110
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:20,000
it is going to move maneuver itself just

2111
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,440
like a wind sock

2112
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,279
the direction that the wind is traveling

2113
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:24,640
so would you say that

2114
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,159
that fraver was spoofed or fragra

2115
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:30,239
did not understand what he was seeing i

2116
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,279
honestly i

2117
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,480
i can't stand doing it but uh many

2118
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,560
pilots before fraber have made a mistake

2119
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:38,000
looking at an object

2120
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,520
thinking of something else now here's

2121
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:41,120
the problem you got four people that saw

2122
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,560
this not just fravor

2123
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,480
so you got three people you're two other

2124
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,759
people that are still on station at

2125
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,279
twenty some odd thousand feet

2126
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:49,520
watching this and then you have fravor

2127
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,480
in his wizzo

2128
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,799
going down to investigate the object now

2129
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,640
fravor in the wizzo

2130
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,400
information kind of they don't they

2131
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,839
don't match up exactly

2132
01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:00,239
um but that's that's another story

2133
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,120
altogether

2134
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:03,120
uh but as he's coming down as he cuts

2135
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,719
that circle in half

2136
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,719
he thinks it's this far away it's really

2137
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:08,080
this far away and it's actually him

2138
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:09,279
coming towards it that gives the

2139
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,400
appearance of

2140
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,640
of an acceleration towards him and he

2141
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,640
just flies right by it

2142
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,440
and the object hits the water and he

2143
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,000
thinks it went over the horizon

2144
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:23,120
and that's what it seems like that's

2145
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:23,520
what

2146
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:26,239
most likely happened and i hate doing

2147
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,199
that because i know i'm going to be

2148
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,799
ridiculed like crazy when this thing

2149
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:30,560
comes out and i get it and i understand

2150
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:31,600
it but

2151
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:34,000
so many great pilots before him have

2152
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,759
also made similar mistakes

2153
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,520
well but you're saying that he made a

2154
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,960
mistake

2155
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,880
but this was also spoofing technology so

2156
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:42,000
i guess i'm a little confused

2157
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,199
well it just happened to be that

2158
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:44,799
whatever the balloon whatever the object

2159
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:45,199
was

2160
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:49,120
balloon that particular object as it

2161
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:50,400
came out of the water

2162
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,920
was a they they have several

2163
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,199
variations now they have them where the

2164
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,800
drones come out from the same type

2165
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,600
canister well look

2166
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,760
the whole thing started with the guys on

2167
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,760
the princeton i believe

2168
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,520
seeing all kinds of crazy objects on

2169
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,360
radar correct so that's what sent

2170
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,440
people out to begin with i guess and how

2171
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,679
fast are the objects going

2172
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:12,239
i don't recall about 100 knots 120 or so

2173
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,280
miles an hour okay

2174
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:15,520
so the objects were doing that at twenty

2175
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:16,320
eight thousand

2176
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,600
eighty thousand feet you know somewhere

2177
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,000
in that range is what kevin davis stated

2178
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,199
the prevailing winds for those dates

2179
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,600
at those altitudes were the speeds that

2180
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,880
these objects were moving

2181
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,480
so the objects were moving at the same

2182
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,320
speed as a prevailing wind at that

2183
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,239
altitude but but i thought it appeared

2184
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,600
to them

2185
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:36,320
on radar that they were darting around

2186
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:36,719
no

2187
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,719
they were just tracking he said they

2188
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,000
were tracking south

2189
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,600
which so who reported that they were

2190
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:45,440
darting around them

2191
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,719
uh flavor fragrance only favor well

2192
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,719
my only favorite that moment but when

2193
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,239
kevin day was saying and i

2194
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,840
and i've talked with kevin or chatted

2195
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,920
with kevin and and i still got a lot

2196
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:57,199
more to talk to him about and maybe

2197
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,640
we'll we'll converse some more

2198
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,040
but the objects as they as they dropped

2199
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,280
from 80 000 feet or above 80 000 feet

2200
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,600
into the phase a radar viewing area

2201
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:07,600
and down to the surface of the ocean

2202
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,120
around 50 feet or so from the surface of

2203
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:11,120
the ocean at 0.78 seconds which is what

2204
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,320
he remembers it to be because he

2205
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,239
remember doing the plots the next day

2206
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,159
um that would mean the object was moving

2207
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,400
at 24 or 104 thousand miles an hour

2208
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,760
depending on which altitude it dropped

2209
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:20,400
from

2210
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,239
so the appearance of that is this

2211
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,800
this is how the the spoofing works if

2212
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:27,840
this

2213
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,159
is another spoofing balloon over here

2214
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:34,159
this will send a signal and then this

2215
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,600
one will sit in the signal

2216
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:37,280
and the next one will send the signal

2217
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,719
and it looks like

2218
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:41,600
that that object is just zooming through

2219
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,560
through space

2220
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,719
um and that's the thing i would love to

2221
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,320
be able to see the data

2222
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,440
uh directly from the event um

2223
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,199
and that's what we need to clear this

2224
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,280
all up 100 because we're never going to

2225
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,719
have the complete answer

2226
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,360
until we get that and apparently we're

2227
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,560
not going to get it

2228
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,440
but all righty well i think that's

2229
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,880
enough for now but

2230
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:05,040
one wrap up question would be the the

2231
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:06,480
old friend

2232
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,040
from the briefing from 2005.

2233
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,960
if we were talking to him today and he

2234
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:14,800
was speaking freely

2235
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,159
what would he say was reported

2236
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:21,199
at this briefing he

2237
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:24,159
he well at the time is it's it's just

2238
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,120
like with me

2239
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,520
at the time we both thought that what

2240
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,880
was being reported the briefing was

2241
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,640
physical objects doing

2242
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,960
what we all thought they were doing they

2243
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:34,320
claimed speech and all this other stuff

2244
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,640
that's

2245
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:38,080
didn't

2246
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,080
sit in on the meeting and find out but

2247
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,239
but when he said who was there

2248
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,480
that kind of gave a clue as to what what

2249
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:45,920
we were looking at so you're saying he

2250
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,719
he thought that they were actual 40-foot

2251
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:50,320
u.s technology objects

2252
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,679
right and what about today no he he

2253
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,800
knows they're spoofing

2254
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,080
and how has he learned that and

2255
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,440
well i mean he just just through things

2256
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,880
that he's read

2257
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:05,440
let let me get rid of a big big misnomer

2258
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,400
that everybody thinks

2259
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,640
people think that you have if you have a

2260
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,400
um a topsy you have to have a top secret

2261
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:11,679
security clearance to get data out of

2262
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:12,719
somebody or you have to have this

2263
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,120
whatever

2264
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,600
and that's that should be true but you

2265
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:17,120
know as well as i do that if

2266
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,880
but play it out the right way you can

2267
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,719
get information from people

2268
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:23,040
uh and not necessarily throw them into

2269
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,560
the bus or they don't have to be in a

2270
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,080
skiff or anything like that

2271
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,080
to to get classified information it's

2272
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:30,159
not that hard it's not like i'm going in

2273
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,960
trying to

2274
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:32,880
to be a spy or whatever to get things

2275
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:34,000
out of it i just

2276
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,280
you can just sit in a bar and just be

2277
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,560
talking to somebody and they'll give you

2278
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:37,840
enough information to where

2279
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,719
you can piece together a pretty good uh

2280
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:42,320
you know puzzle piece here so that

2281
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:43,280
that's part of

2282
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,719
of how some of this works is basically

2283
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:46,080
being able to get in somewhere to do

2284
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:46,880
that

2285
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,800
but the the key thing is is this

2286
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,640
an organization was put together to the

2287
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,640
stars academy based on

2288
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:56,719
these three videos that have been fed to

2289
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,640
us for three and a half years

2290
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,239
over that three and a half years it's

2291
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,000
been clearly proven

2292
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,120
that at least one of the three

2293
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,120
is not what it is now that that could be

2294
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,400
up for argument but

2295
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,560
as far as i'm concerned as far as many

2296
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:12,080
of the others

2297
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,440
because the information is inside the

2298
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:15,360
video there's there's you can't remove

2299
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,640
the information from the video it's

2300
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,840
already there

2301
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:20,880
so if that is being told to us

2302
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,719
and it's factually incorrect and it's

2303
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,800
then what else is being said yeah and

2304
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:28,480
the same thing could be said about me

2305
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,840
because i i gave you a bunch of hogwash

2306
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,600
back on that show

2307
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,760
and i ran with it to see where it would

2308
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:38,239
take me and i was able to find out where

2309
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,920
it would take me which i'm kind of glad

2310
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:41,199
i did because it did give me some other

2311
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,080
information

2312
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,000
i'm going to make follow-up videos to

2313
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,159
this that will explain

2314
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,000
better and with graphics because it's

2315
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:49,840
hard to do a lot of this without showing

2316
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,800
people things

2317
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:53,520
um exactly what it is that i'm talking

2318
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:54,239
about

2319
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:00,470
used this spoofing technology in real

2320
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,719
world situations against the enemy yes

2321
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,719
that we've used we used it during during

2322
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,159
the cuban missile crisis

2323
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:08,640
we used it back then um that's how all

2324
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:09,679
this technology is

2325
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:12,800
basically a submarine pulled up

2326
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:15,199
towards uh cuba launched a bunch of

2327
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,920
balloons

2328
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,679
and which forced them to turn on all

2329
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,440
their radars because they thought

2330
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,800
that they were being attacked and all

2331
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:22,400
these balloons go into the air but i

2332
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,520
mean it's a technology is that

2333
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,120
simplistic and old

2334
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,880
why won't kevin day and the others on

2335
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,640
princeton been confused by it

2336
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,520
well that the basic technology is that

2337
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,960
all but obviously today we would know if

2338
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:34,000
somebody popped a whole bunch of

2339
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,800
balloons into the air

2340
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,159
we would recognize immediately what they

2341
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:38,080
are um but

2342
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,520
but aquadillo will tell you something

2343
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:41,120
different that's a whole nother the

2344
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,560
puerto rico video

2345
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:45,360
but the case in point you've got a

2346
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:46,880
situation where

2347
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,520
the technology is there it's old you can

2348
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,120
look it up right now it's already there

2349
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,719
mercury systems is who currently

2350
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:55,120
supplies the the navy with it um air

2351
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,400
force is supplied with it

2352
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:59,120
i believe from raytheon um and lockheed

2353
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:00,560
martin's involved too so when you start

2354
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:01,840
looking at these players your mind

2355
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,640
starts

2356
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:04,080
you know telling you that oh it has to

2357
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:05,600
be this or it has to be that when in

2358
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,080
reality

2359
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:09,360
it's it's really not what we would think

2360
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,760
it is

2361
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,120
and none of the videos not one shows any

2362
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,920
flight characteristic that is

2363
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:16,800
extraordinary

2364
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,600
at all not one um anyone that would sit

2365
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:21,679
down and analyze it frame by frame

2366
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,360
and look at it would probably come to

2367
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,960
the same conclusion yeah

2368
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,719
well but you know it wasn't just about

2369
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,560
the videos it was about the eyewitnesses

2370
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:30,080
it was yeah and that's where the problem

2371
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:30,640
comes on

2372
01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:31,760
so anything that has to do with the

2373
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,239
eyewitnesses is a whole another

2374
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:36,400
area that's very touchy sensitive

2375
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,520
subject that i

2376
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:40,000
i don't feel comfortable doing because

2377
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:40,719
it's

2378
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,560
explain what it is they may have seen to

2379
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:45,920
give them at least an answer

2380
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,400
but at the same time i shouldn't it

2381
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:50,080
shouldn't be my place to do that

2382
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,840
i shouldn't even be really talking about

2383
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,679
it yeah i'll just put the information

2384
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:55,440
out there and if they accept it then

2385
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:57,040
then that's it if it turns out to be

2386
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,560
that's what it is then great if yeah

2387
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,320
if it's and if it's spoofing technology

2388
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,560
then that's yeah and they're going to be

2389
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,400
i'm going to say it's it's got to be

2390
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:05,760
pretty advanced because

2391
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:08,960
david framer just as one example is very

2392
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,080
apparently a very experienced uh

2393
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:14,640
fighter pilot commander and that was all

2394
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:15,520
the whole thing and

2395
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,800
he's going over he's flying around the

2396
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,400
country right now going to ufo events

2397
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,920
saying that he saw a ufo so

2398
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,320
right yeah and if they could fool him

2399
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:24,400
the whole idea for testing on her

2400
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:26,480
see the problem is this type of testing

2401
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:27,679
should be illegal

2402
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,320
it basically there are laws against the

2403
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,320
military doing this type of testing and

2404
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,640
because it becomes a safety issue okay

2405
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,800
so that that should not have been done

2406
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,800
kind of the way they did it so if this

2407
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:41,199
is proven to be spoofing technology

2408
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,560
and that we actually had physical

2409
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:44,560
objects in that airspace

2410
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:47,120
that were producing these signals then

2411
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:48,239
guess what

2412
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,199
you've got an issue with us breaking our

2413
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,960
own laws to just test something

2414
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,640
there's some there's a problem with that

2415
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,159
a big problem with that so i have a

2416
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,600
problem with that i don't i don't think

2417
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,880
that should be done and also

2418
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,080
the sailors have a problem with it

2419
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,600
because they say that it can't be that

2420
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:03,120
because it would be illegal well how

2421
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:03,920
many times has

2422
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,320
the government you've done things that's

2423
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:07,600
not necessarily

2424
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,199
you know legal but the bigger issue is

2425
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,400
that the u.s government has well let's

2426
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,679
just say the military

2427
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:17,920
the us air force during the nimitz event

2428
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:18,800
is who was

2429
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,280
utilizing or being utilized to exhibit

2430
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,880
the technology against the navy

2431
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,040
so the navy could test their radar

2432
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:26,640
systems against it as well the

2433
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:29,920
the the easy thing behind it is

2434
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,199
think of this if that was

2435
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:35,520
actually a real object and it was

2436
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:37,040
actually there and the commander got

2437
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,679
wind of it

2438
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:39,760
that these that this fighter pilot went

2439
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:42,320
out to chase this object down

2440
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,679
and was never able to get it

2441
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,760
or another pilot went out after it and

2442
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:48,960
got film of it

2443
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:52,480
why wasn't a plane from

2444
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,640
a different base that had weapons

2445
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:55,760
scrambled to do it

2446
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:58,159
if these objects are operating with

2447
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,800
impunity

2448
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:00,880
inside of our airspace inside of our

2449
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,960
training a military training airspace

2450
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,880
why didn't they take it more seriously

2451
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,560
why didn't they

2452
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,239
go after these things or continue to

2453
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:09,840
follow them i mean why didn't

2454
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:12,719
uh chad underwood speed up and go catch

2455
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,360
this thing

2456
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,360
get better video why did he stay past

2457
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,520
the range of the app flier

2458
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,880
you know these are questions that make

2459
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:20,400
you wonder i'm not questioning the pilot

2460
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,840
so to speak because they have to go by

2461
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:23,280
what they're told to do

2462
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,159
you know but fravor my understanding is

2463
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:27,679
when he was coming back he asked for

2464
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:30,800
permission to continue the pursuit

2465
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:33,520
um so you know that's a piece of

2466
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,480
information that's not out there so

2467
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:36,239
fravor was ever if fraber's ever asked

2468
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,360
hey where you asked

2469
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,719
uh did you ask for permission to

2470
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:40,159
continue to pursue because turbo says

2471
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,640
you did

2472
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,000
and if he goes oh yeah yeah i remember

2473
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:44,080
that then that that would sit i heard it

2474
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:45,199
on the comps

2475
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,880
but um the you know there's so many

2476
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,239
questions that that just

2477
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:52,400
make you think common sense wise the

2478
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,600
captain of the ship

2479
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,400
didn't seem to care when he was told no

2480
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,520
big deal

2481
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,920
so was it that he didn't really consider

2482
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,719
it a concern

2483
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,320
or was it that he knew that it was

2484
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,400
basically a testing operation and that